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To give an example of what I'm trying to understand:

To accelerate to a given speed or maintain that speed with a tyre pressure of e.g. 100PSI requires a certain amount of energy. If that amount of energy is held constant, and the tyre pressure is dropped to e.g. 80PSI, how much lighter would my bike need to be to attain / maintain that speed.

What prompts my question is the observation that many cyclists who commute have under-inflated tires, yet have paid a premium for aluminium over steel.

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There is, in general, an inverse relationship between tire pressure and the energy required to move the bike. However, this relationship is quite complicated, and there's nothing like a simple formula that would yield the calculation you want. –  Daniel R Hicks Jul 4 at 22:15
    
You might get some joy on Physics SE –  PeteH Jul 5 at 7:46
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It's not about energy to accelerate the bike to speed, but the energy to keep it there. For bicycles the kinetic energy is a small part of the total power output of the rider (typically under 10m/s = 36km/hour and 100kg, and e=1/2 m v² = .5 * 100 * 10² = 5000J or watt-seconds. So a casual rider putting out 250W could reach 36kph in 20 seconds, assuming no friction)

The relevant factor is rolling resistance, not weight. On a flat surface there's a more or less parabolic relationship between tyre pressure and rolling resistance. The region you're talking about is the low side of the curve, where more pressure in the tyre gives lower rolling resistance. The losses here are mostly from deforming the tyre, so riding underinflated is costing you money in increased tyre wear as well as time through riding slowly.

There's also a relationship between total weight and optimum tyre pressure. Vittoria have an online calculator and there's a simpler one here with a link to the papers it's based on. Basically, more weight means more pressure and it's not a linear relationship.

To answer your question, then: assume we're in a linear part of the curve just for simplicity{1}, with 80/100 of the pressure you need 80/100 the total weight. Assuming an 90kg rider with a 10kg bike = 100kg total at 100psi, that means you'd need a -10kg bike to keep the same rolling resistance at 80psi (90kg rider -10kg bike = 80kg total). Or alternatively, starting with a 90kg+10kg at 80psi bike, you could carry an extra 25kg at 100psi and have the same rolling resistance (100kg * 100 / 80 = 125kg).

From experience though, increased tyre wear is not a big factor. At one stage I was only riding about 8-9km each way to work so I dropped the tyre pressure on my slick tyre MTB to compensate. Tyre lifetime was still determined by tread wear and didn't seem to drop - it definitely wasn't halved, for example. Bike handling was compromised a bit and I did get more punctures (n~3, though)

{1} this is obviously not true, but it makes the maths possible. The real curve is very complex and specific to a particular tyre. It's also affected by road surface and riding style, among other things.

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Why did you drop the pressure when doing the 8-9km commute? I've missed something there. –  Mere Development Jul 5 at 7:05
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@MereDevelopment so I had to do more work to cover the same distance. It's harder to stop and pump the tyres up if I'm feeling lazy than it is to just take the short way home or skip a training ride. –  Mσᶎ Jul 5 at 7:07
    
Ah ok, the concept of trying to make the ride more difficult didn't even occur to me. Hah! –  Mere Development Jul 5 at 10:29
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Start with optimal pressure versus weight. The minimum and maximum pressure are on the sidewall - never exceed that range. Each tire manufacture will typically provide guidelines for where in the that range based on weight and conditions. This is a chart from Michelin. Michelin Recommended Road Tire Air Pressure Guide
In this chart looking at 700X25c going from about 174 to 128 for a difference of 46 lbs. That is more than the bike weighs. Running a bicycle 20 psi under pressure is significant. Now those two optimal points do not necessarily have the same rolling resistance. The lighter rider would probably have an advantage - but lets call it even in this. Clearly a 200 lb rider at maximum pressure is going to have more rolling resistance than 100 lb rider at minimum pressure. And touring tires and kids tires are is going to have a different weight range associated with the psi range.

Some links
Rolling Resistance

On level ground wind resistance exceeds rolling resistance at about 18 mph.

Inflation Pressure

I have several bikes and don't have the pressure memorized. And with my old eyes it is hard to find the pressure. I made a table and taped it to my pump.

And anymore aluminum is not necessarily a premium over steel.

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