# Frame sizing: “medium” vs. inches vs. centimeters

How in the world does 17-18 inches match up to 53-54 cm??

I was looking up bicycle sizing charts and found the ones on the Evans website interesting, if somewhat confusing. For example, see the chart for Hybrid frame sizes: http://www.evanscycles.com/help/bike-sizing#hybrid

Looking at the suggested frame sizes, I guess I don't understand how the inches vs. centimetres match up. A frame size of 17-18 inches or "M" is listed as being equivalent to a frame size of or 53-54 cm, however, a simple conversion shows that 17-18 inches is roughly equal to 43-46 cm. Strange!

Thanks!

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Essentially, bicycle frame sizing is inconsistent and possibly insane. Try the bikes out. Don't rely on a single number for the size.

Theoretically the size given is the length of the seat tube, but there's a lot of inconsistency in how that's measured.

Usually a frame size given in inches is a mountain bike frame and a frame size given in centimeters is a road bike. A mountain bike frame will have a higher bottom bracket in order to clear obstacles better, and may also have a lower seat tube (to lessen the odds of your crotch colliding with it when dealing with rough terrain), so you can't simply convert one number to the other. If you look on that chart and compare the "hybrid" sizes to the "road" and "mountain" sizes you'll see that hybrid cm is close to road cm and hybrid inches is close to mountain inches.

Even within a single basic bike type there can be a fair amount of difference in the bottom bracket height, which directly affects standover height.

Basically, mountain bikes and road bikes have two different sizings and you need to find out the appropriate size for you in each. Hybrids seem to sometimes be sized like road bikes or like mountain bikes, but the frame geometry probably doesn't really quite match up to either style of bike and they may report the sizing as what matches the other style or as the actual measurement. There's a lot of variation in hybrid geometries because there's a lot of different sub-types of hybrid intended for different kinds of riders.

Because the manufacturers aren't consistent, you really need to try the bikes out to find the right size bike. Two bikes of the same basic type may be the exact same height but have different top-tube lengths and therefore fit you differently. If you're an experienced rider you might be able to work out what you need to know for a bike given the full geometry information that many manufacturers publish, but the single number size will never be enough.

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Thanks :) I found the perfect answered buried in there! "Hybrids seem to sometimes be sized like road bikes or like mountain bikes, but the frame geometry probably doesn't really quite match up to either style of bike and they may report the sizing as what matches the other style or as the actual measurement." I think you're exactly right. Nice! –  mark Aug 26 '11 at 23:02
@freheit Do you know of generally accepted measurements that are equivalent to the frame sizes of xxsmall, xsmall, small, medium, large, xlarge, xxlarge, xxxlarge? I know it varies between manufacturers, but perhaps a general range of measurements (eg medium is usually 50cm-56cm frames). Thanks! –  mark Aug 28 '11 at 13:45
@mark: The XS/S/M/L/XL type measurements on the charts linked in the question seem about right, with the huge caveats that it varies with manufacturer and type of bike, and that it's a single measurement when there's several on the bike that matter. –  freiheit Aug 28 '11 at 17:10
The wheel size also matters with the XS/.../XL sizing, now that there are 3 common wheel sizes for mountain bikes (26", 650b, 29") with 26" becoming less common on the new market. –  Batman Jan 12 at 0:49

There's also the fact that some measure from the top of the seat tube to the center of the bottom bracket (the old inch standard), while others measure from the top of the top tube (which may be well below the top of the seat tub), and others measure to the top or bottom of the BB rather than its center (some of which is supposedly the metric standard).

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Thanks Daniel. Do you know of generally accepted measurements that are equivalent to the frame sizes of xxsmall, xsmall, small, medium, large, xlarge, xxlarge, xxxlarge? I know it varies between manufacturers, but perhaps a general range of measurements (eg medium is usually 50cm-56cm frames). Thanks! –  mark Aug 28 '11 at 13:45
I know of nothing "generally accepted" in terms of equivalence (though I'm not really into such things). If you are, for some reason, needing to buy "a pig in a poke", you should request specific measurements with specific details as to how they were taken, and then compare those measurements to a known bike with a similar frame configuration. But, generally, the sizes are only good for giving you a general idea as to the size of the bike. Even with the right "size", other dimensions such as top tube length make a big difference in frame fit. –  Daniel R Hicks Aug 28 '11 at 15:35