Timeline for How to proceed when pedestrians occupy the dedicated bike path?
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| May 5, 2021 at 13:36 | history | edited | jimchristie♦ | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
changed language to be less likely to give offense
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| May 5, 2021 at 13:33 | comment | added | jimchristie♦ | Regarding bells: comments should not be used to debate a controversial point. Please continue this discussion in chat. | |
| Feb 19, 2017 at 17:53 | comment | added | gschenk | @aron of the cyclist has to rely on pedestrians getting information about their speed, they might be too fast when passing. In that case Crigges first point applies, don't be a prick. | |
| Feb 19, 2017 at 17:50 | comment | added | gschenk | Two things speak against filtering out bells. (1) Trams and streetcars use bells to signal pedestrians and cyclists as the unusual and distinctive sound stands out. I don't know if you ever obstructed a nearby tram's path, of you did you certainly won't forget the jolt from the ring. (2) bells are a convention that makes bikes immediately recognisable. Regardless of one can tell from where and how fast a bike is coming, one knows it is a bike, rather than a lorry, steamboat, or a group of drunk football fans. Which is not the case with horns. | |
| Feb 19, 2017 at 11:36 | comment | added | andy256 | @Aron I am in complete agreement with Rider_X on this. I use a bell as often as possible, because a bike bell sounds like a bell. It unambiguously announces that a bike is coming. | |
| Dec 15, 2015 at 3:59 | comment | added | Rider_X | @Aron I am sorry but do you have any evidence what so ever that people subconsciously filter out bells (especially on quiet paths)? My experience (admittedly anecdotal) has been the polar opposite. Until we have some measurable and repeatable data neither hypothesis has been proven or disputed. Also your closing speed example completely ignores oncoming closing speeds (160 mph) which is an important aspect of a siren, but not that important (or used) for cyclist/pedestrian interactions. | |
| Dec 15, 2015 at 3:47 | comment | added | Aron | @Rider_X I disagree with both your points. Although it is not the primary purpose of the bell. Without the range/close in speed information, people generally subconsciously filter out the bell (just like you would filter out the sound of a car alarm). My point is that there is a difference between hearing and being heard. Further, the close in velocity of a car vs a car, I suspect tends to be about the same as road bike and a pedestrian. A police car driving 90mph in a 70mph would have a close in speed of 20mph whilst a road bike going 20mph behind a 3mph pedestrian would close at 17mph. | |
| Dec 15, 2015 at 3:38 | comment | added | Rider_X | @Aron - I don't think the purpose of the bell is to communicate your speed and range. Rather, I think its best use is a gentle way to get someone's of attention so that they make visual contact in order to determine speed and range information. The closing speeds between pedestrians and cyclists are generally less than between emergency vehicles and cars, so I don't think range and speed information needs to be communicated auditorily. | |
| Dec 14, 2015 at 5:52 | comment | added | Aron | @Rider_X The bell is actually perhaps one of the worst ways to inform someone of your presence. A bell ringing will generate a very narrow band of frequencies (plus harmonics), which gives very little phase information for the brain to process (highly coherent signal). The result is that it is very hard to determine the range/distance/speed of a ringing bell. This is why modern emergency response vehicles now mix white noise into their sirens. | |
| Dec 11, 2015 at 20:26 | comment | added | Rider_X | I disagree that using a bell is lazy. Speaking loudly startles some people, especially if the path has a low volume of traffic (people out for a stroll zone out). A loud voice can be jarring. Older people especially seem to thank me when I use a good bell, instead of my voice. | |
| Dec 11, 2015 at 12:53 | comment | added | kifli | @Vorac Something like that happened to me. There were a woman with her kid I saw them and went slower. They were walking in the middle of the path so no way to me to pass them. So I was going slower and slower each time women CLEARLY spotted me but chose to do like I wasnt there. So I stopped right in front of them and he pushed her kid in the bike direction! luckily it was a small kid and passed under the bike handler. I looked at her like wtf are you doing ? and she just walked away. | |
| Dec 11, 2015 at 9:21 | comment | added | Criggie♦ | @stijn I routinely call it out when a fellow cyclist runs the red. "Good on ya" in a disparaging tone seems to annoy them a little, then catching them on a MTB pisses them right off. | |
| Dec 11, 2015 at 8:57 | comment | added | Vorac | Al true, buuuuuut one of the greatest moments of my life was when I did an endo 10cm from an infant, whose mom was walking him onto the bike lane. The look on her face was priceless. | |
| Dec 11, 2015 at 8:50 | vote | accept | kifli | ||
| Dec 11, 2015 at 8:33 | comment | added | stijn | Noone likes a cyclist who reinforces the bad stereotypes this, times 1000. It's sad but it's the reality: in some countries there is still a lot of hate towards cyclists, mostly fed by anecdotes bt of course people usually only remember the bad encounters. The only way to end this is a change of mentality which in turn can only ever work if all sides behave nicely. | |
| Dec 11, 2015 at 0:19 | history | answered | Criggie♦ | CC BY-SA 3.0 |