# Is the real world experience of riding a light bike understated by physics-based calculators?

Take the case where you have two identical riders, Joe Slo and Billy Whizz. They both weigh 75kg and have identical aerobic threshold power output.

Joe has a 11kg steel audax bike, but Billy likes shiny gear so bought the latest Emonda weighing 5kg.

Physics based calculators (e.g. http://www.analyticcycling.com/ForcesLessWeight_Page.html or http://bikecalculator.com) put Billy about 50m head of Joe after 1km cycling up a 1km hill averaging 5% gradient.

That doesn't sound like much, and not worth spending \$5k on.

However, during a hilly sportive the pair will ride 160km including 20km at gradients over 5%, and these are spaced evenly throughout the ride.

Let's assume Billy makes an effort and rides the hills at his aerobic threshold, which is 300watts, and they therefore ride at 20.2kph (http://bikecalculator.com). Joe has to ride at 316watts to keep up (so ~5% above his threshold). That doesn't sound like as much fun.

What would the likely effect on recovery be for the last part of the ride? Does chasing those few additional watts on each climb have a non-additive impact on performance in the final 20km, for example?

I guess my question is, even though Billy would wait for Joe at the top of each hill, does the additional effort required to keep up make this a sufferfest for Joe?

• It needs to be noted that Joe's "aerobic threshold" may be 300 watts one day and 325 the next. The experiment you propose is not reproducible in real life. Apr 11, 2016 at 17:33