A friend of mine has just purchased a 2016 Trek Emonda SL6 in a 54 cm frame size. He is 169cm tall and according to the Trek sizing chart (attached) he could fit a 52 cm or easily fit a 54. The trouble is with his saddle height set correctly (using a Gonimeter and verifying the result with the Bike Fast Fit app), his knee is 6 cm in front of the pedal spindle. If I move the saddle FULLY to the rear, and then get him to ride on a turbo trainer for 5 mins (to settle his position), his knee is still 35mm in front of the pedal spindle! This says to me that the frame is too small? I know that some say that we should not be too focused on KOPS, but I cannot get his knee inline or even behind the pedal spindle, either in during a static or dynamic fit? The seat post on the bike is standard and has a 20mm set back. I can replicate this 'fit' myself by sitting on my wife's medium sized Specialized Hybrid bike. I know this particular frame is far too small for me (I'm typically a Large or 58 frame), and with her saddle fully slid to the rear, my knee, when in the 3 o'clock position is approx 40mm in front of the pedal spindle. This is of course to be expected as the frame is too small for me, but why is my friends new Trek showing similar results? According to the Trek chart, the frame should/could potentially be too big for him? BTW, his cleat positioning is good. Trek Fitting ChartPlease help!

  • Have you confirmed that the tube lengths match the specs for that size frame? Jun 19, 2016 at 14:10
  • Difficult to compare a hybrid to a pure road bike.
    – Carel
    Jun 19, 2016 at 18:16

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Basing fit decisions on knee position relative to the pedals has largely been debunked as a myth. Furthermore, modern bike design trends have favored moving riders further forward on the frame and lowering the cockpit (i.e. handlebars) in order to put the rider in a more aerodynamic position. Trek's Emonda specifically was designed to be their most aggressive and responsive model; to achieve this, they use relatively steep tube angles that would make KOPS nearly impossible. This isn't a problem because they expect it to be set up and used with a 'racer fit'.

To see just how extreme this 'low and forward' position can be taken to, look at the setups of time trial and triathlon bikes. On mine, for example, the front of the saddle is essentially lined up with the bottom bracket. I've never considered knee position, but I think it's a safe assumption that it rests significantly forward of the pedal.

  • Josh many thanks for your feedback and it makes sense. For me to finally put this to bed, when the owner of the bike is next in town I plan to measure his bike geometry and compare it to the published figures just to make sure the bike is what it says it is (I'm sure it is!). I will also measure the owner up and enter his details into this online bike fit calculator competitivecyclist.com/Store/catalog/fitCalculatorBike.jsp - this seems an interesting website and will/should churn out some potentially useful info and sizing recommendations. I will keep this post updated!
    – P Busek
    Jun 22, 2016 at 6:27

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