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Is a more aero bike more efficient than less aero bike at 10mph? At what speed does Aerodynamics affect your speed significantly.

update: "The question is dealing with the minimum speed that a cyclist will notice the effects of a modern aero frame vs a non-aero frame. via @user"

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    How do you define "significant"? Noticeable? "X watts saved"? – altomnr Jul 12 '16 at 15:05
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    significant = apparently noticeable – nolawi Jul 12 '16 at 18:01
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    @nolawipetros - what is "apparently noticeable" depends on the person. – Rider_X Jul 12 '16 at 21:08
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    My gut feel is about 12 mph. – Daniel R Hicks Jul 12 '16 at 23:05
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    @nolawipetros - Just a note, a "@user" in the comments is who that comment is in reply to, rather than the source of the comment. – altomnr Jul 13 '16 at 17:35
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As long as you are moving through the air, aerodynamic drag will account for some portion of total drag. Here is a plot that shows the relative contribution of aerodynamic drag vs. rolling drag on total drag for a rider at constant speed on a flat surface with the given CdA (drag area) and Crr (coefficient of rolling resistance). There is no magic threshold speed at which aerodynamic drag suddenly appears. Whether the amount of drag is important or significant to you will depend on your power and riding goal, but for this example roughly 25% of total power will be consumed by aerodynamic drag at about 10 km/h (or about 6 mph).

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    Of course it should be noted that there is probably a 4x difference in rolling resistance between narrow high pressure racing tires and knobby low-pressure mountain biking tires. – Daniel R Hicks Jul 12 '16 at 23:07
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    Though the chart is good, but the relative graph pct of power quite misleading. i.e., where the rolling drag and aero drag meet, are not equivalent of power output. E.g. you just need ~30w 99% to push the bikes to rolls. When speed reach 35mph, 95% air actually produce 600w of resistances. – mootmoot Jul 13 '16 at 9:16
  • the first curve is what i wanted to know 'aero drag vs speed' – nolawi Jul 13 '16 at 15:10
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Schwalbe has a great chart from their rolling resistance page on major resistance force for bicycling. Noticeable air drag started from 15km/h and increase exponential after 20km/h. At 10Mph(16Kmh), good aero bikes doesn't show significant advantages. Even above 30km/h, typical aero bike cannot do much to reduce the air resistant : human are not aerodynamic in the first place.

True aerodynamic-cycle look something like velomobile . No professional cyclist with their expensive bicycle can beat any amateur that is riding a fast velomobile, unless it is a hill climbing competition.

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    I think I must have missed why the velomobile reference is relevant. – altomnr Jul 12 '16 at 17:48
  • true. question is not hon rolling resistance – nolawi Jul 12 '16 at 18:49
  • Rolling resistance could conceivably come into play in the context of your question; in the context of "noticeable", as one could argue that air resistance that is less than rolling resistance may not be significant enough to be noticeable. – altomnr Jul 12 '16 at 19:34
  • @nolawipetros : major resistance force for bicycling – mootmoot Jul 13 '16 at 7:27
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    @mootmoot : The question is dealing with the minimum speed that a cyclist will notice the effects of a modern aero frame vs a non-aero frame. So I agree that a velomobile is very aero, the question is not "what is the most aero setup", so not only do I fail to see the point in mentioning them, I also don't see the point in referencing a 26 year old article. – altomnr Jul 13 '16 at 14:25
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In my experience it is begin at about 30 kmh and at like 50 kmh you really feel how the wind is hitting you in the face I guess faster you goes stronger the effect is. But it is important at any speed really, if its windy and you have loose clothes they act like a sail.

aero bike for like 10mph ? you can walk faster I guess it will have less air resistance that regular bike but just in theory maybe you couldn`t even measure it.

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