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I've recently bought a hardtail, just an entry-level bike, but I've only got entry-level skills. The tyres it came with are WTB Nano 2.1". They aren't exactly ideal for the sort of conditions we have in the UK in winter (lots of deep mud, wet tree roots, muddy rocks etc.) and I'd like to fit something (i) knobblier and (ii) a little wider.

At the front this is easy, something like a Maxxis Shorty 2.3" or Magic Mary would easily fit. At the back, there's also plenty of room except behind the front derailleur

3mm clearance between front derailleur and back tyre

where there's about 3 mm (and that filled up with mud today)

There are 2" tyres for mud, but they're reputed to have a harsh ride on anything else, and not grip well on wet rock/tree roots -- something I need at my skill level as my lines aren't up to much and I don't always carry enough speed.

This is the only bike I've owned with a top-pull FD. And I can see why they've used one rather than have cables under the BB getting coated in mud and even bashed. But it takes up much more room than any of the bottom-pull FD's I've got. Is it because it's a cheap FD? Because it's a triple? It's an Altus 3×9 drivetrain.

Is there an upgrade that would gain me a few mm?


As an aside: I picked it up in a hurry, lightly used/ex-rental and without a test ride, for around half the shop price. I'm happy with it apart from this, and assumed that I might upgrade consumables (perhaps as they wear out). I looked at the specs in detail to be sure the fundamentals were there, but is there any way I could have spotted this?

  • Are you sure the chain stay clearance is enough for wider tires, especially in the mud? – mattnz Jan 28 '18 at 21:41
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    Honestly, ride the bike as-is. Its an entry level bike, and you claim to have entry level skills. Work on your skills and then upgrade the bike to what you want in a couple years. At this point, spending money on a new bike is very fast way to empty the pocketbook. – Criggie Jan 28 '18 at 23:01
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    @Criggie your point is good, but taking it literally I might as well get rid of the bike today. If I restrict riding to when the existing tyres are suitable, I just won't get out on it enough to build the skills. If I leave the mechanicals alone and upgrade the front tyre I get better control, so that might be an option. Tyres are consumables after all, and not expensive. I've come to expect that they need optimising after buying a bike. Spinning to a halt on muddy climbs is annoying but tolerable. – Chris H Jan 29 '18 at 7:47
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    @ChrisH not at all. I still ride an 18 kilo steel rigid MTB, and on the flat/doubletrack I can keep up with the squishy bikes fine. For a straight climb/grind they're pretty similar too. Lets not mention single track or anything technical or unpaved downhills. – Criggie Jan 29 '18 at 12:32
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    @Criggie I take the tourer (very close to a CX bike) over quite rough tracks, so the MTB is mainly for single-track etc., or very muddy conditions. – Chris H Jan 29 '18 at 14:23
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Put a larger tire on the front and don't worry about running a larger tire on the rear.

Back when North Shore BC riding was just starting to take off (i.e., 1990s) we often did this setup as we were equipment limited. At the time the "thinking" was that it was bizarre ride a tire bigger than a 2.0 anything but a dedicated race downhill bike. So we would often swap a fork and run bigger rubber up front as there was clearance issues in the rear. Now 25 years later and anything less than 2.3 is pretty much considered anemic for most riding.

Anyway, the mismatch tire size works fine. The front is where you are often traction limited as you brake and steer with this tire. A small rear tire may mean a bit harsher ride (i.e., higher pressure with all other things equal) and a tad less traction, but you can afford this compromise on the rear.

Plus, one tire is cheaper than two, and if any one asks just tell them the setup is more aero (#AeroIsEverything - /sarcasm).

  • I'll probably upgrade the back as well, within the limitations I've got, but only after trying it with something better at the front only. (I have access to a good range without delivery fees so I don't waste postage costs). – Chris H Jan 31 '18 at 7:04
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Easy and cheap option - remove FD (change chain ring by hand if needed). Put it back on for summer riding.

More expensive - Go to a full 1x - cost is the only limiting factor

As its disk brakes, you could install a 27.5" rear wheel with a small change to bike geometry (this will help if chain stay clearance is too small on 29" rim).

In all honesty, I suspect your fighting a loosing battle where you will waste a lot of money on a compromise. Be careful listening to the advice of 'expert's who ride $5K bikes, its easy to criticize and suggest improvements when its not your money.

  • I like the 27.5 idea, and that's at a price point I could test. I'm likely to do much of my off-road riding in winter as there are so many more road rides to take up my time in summer, so I'm not sure about a summer-only FD. Your last paragraph makes a lot of sense, but I have to make the most of this bike for the time being, so it may well be a matter of choosing a compromise -- and not an expensive one. – Chris H Jan 28 '18 at 22:04
  • Good point about 27.5" tyres. As for going 1x, it can be relatively cheap with a bit of creativity, no need to grab a SRAM Eagle groupset. – Grigory Rechistov Jan 28 '18 at 22:07
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    Consider 27 Plus sizes - closer to the 29" diameter. Something like a Magic Mary which comes in 2.4", 2.6" and 2.8" – mattnz Jan 29 '18 at 8:55
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There are several options that stem from the idea "Something cannot hinder you if it is not there", namely the FD. Specifically, you can go the ways of 1x or single speed.

Both variants assume you remove all the machinery related to the front shifting (== bonus weight savings!) and leave the single front chainring. For MTB applications the lowest teeth count you can have on the alivio spider is most likely 32t, and that is what I recommend.

The rear derailleur you have is not optimal for achieving a wide ratio range, as 9 speed cassettes are not that wide and will never be. Now even a 10 speed Shimano deore cassette can be had with range 11-42 teeth, and that is just fine for a casual off road adventurer. With 9 speeds (11-34 teeth range) in the back and 32 teeth at the front, one might sometimes feel out of range, but even this setup might be fine on flatter terrains.

One can choose to throw all this gearing bullshit away and go boldly with single speed. Rear hub conversion kits (a cog, cassette spacers and a chain tensioner) are cheap. More weight savings, no thought power wasted on choosing the right gearing because you are always in the wrong gear, and more fun on descents. On climbs, not so much.

Another crazy idea is to cut some knobs of the rear tyre. There are in fact MTB tyres that are meant to be trimmed by users to their liking, and dedicated tools to do that. The drawback is obviously losing some traction in situations when the removed knobs would have been working.

Finally, moving the rear wheel farther back would be the easiest solution. This is what I actually resorted to when I faced the same issue on my fatbike, because its frame was designed as a multipurpose one. But it requires sliding rear dropouts, which are not super common on MTBs with derailleurs. An eccentric rear hub would also do, but I am unaware if there are any designed for non single speed systems.

  • I haven't got the knees or the balance/skill for SS on trails, so that's a non-starter. But there are plenty of interesting ideas there (though they sound expensive. Even casual use round here gets steep. I forgot to start my GPS today but the previous ride hit 26% up. – Chris H Jan 28 '18 at 21:56
  • You can also have a wider tyre at the front and a narrower one back. Air pressure at the front should also be lower a bit. It's the front wheel where the traction is needed most. Also, OEM tires coming with new MTBs are known to be of worse quality than aftermarket, even those that are identically branded. – Grigory Rechistov Jan 28 '18 at 22:14
  • I'll almost certainly go bigger at the front as it's not as restricted. It's starting to look like the best option is to put the best mud tyre in the 2--2.1" range on the back, even if it doesn't handle as well as I'd like on other stuff (it can't be worse than what I've got) and choose freely at the front. – Chris H Jan 29 '18 at 7:39

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