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It might be a basic question but I have searched and find no same question.

The question is...

There seems to be contradiction about the back posture for road biking.

Some people suggest arch-backed is correct, but the other people say no no it's not.

Which one is more correct?

[Arch-backed is correct] Arch-backed is correct

Source: https://cyclistzone.com/what-is-the-main-reason-behind-road-bike-neck-pain/

[Arch-backed is not correct] Arch-backed is not correct Source: http://www.ilovebicycling.com/how-to-fix-back-pain-cycling/

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    The first site you linked to looks like a bunch if low quality content scraped together for clicks – Argenti Apparatus Mar 30 '18 at 18:56
  • This question is missing information. Its a road bike, but do you want to go fast-as with no regard for comfort, or are you tootling along in traffic and need to be visible? How long is your ride - short or long ? – Criggie Mar 31 '18 at 0:52
  • @ArgentiApparatus good spotting. The stick figure appears to be on a flat bar bike too, so no real opportunity to move the hands. The question is about "road biking" - does that mean drop bars or just riding on the road? – Criggie Mar 31 '18 at 0:57
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    @Criggie After 100km and 500m ascent riding, my neck hurts. So I try to find solution about posture and find the contradiction. – Cray Kao Mar 31 '18 at 11:30
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    @CrayKao does your helmet have a brim or visor ? If so, consider removing it. Most MTB helmets have a visor for sun and rain, and road helmets tend to not. The visor is in your line of sight more on a road bike, means lifting your head to see forward, which crans your neck and can cause pain. Visors are still useful though, which is why some people wear cycling caps. – Criggie Mar 31 '18 at 12:12
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The main issue with the posture images you included (shown again below) is that both positions represent extreme positions and both are likely problematic, despite one being labeled as correct. The image on the left has put the back into hyper flexion, over-recruited the lower abs and tilted the pelvis backwards, this position will likely cause breathing and back issues. The image on the right has contorted the upper back, splaying the rib cage open and turned off recruitment of the lower abs. The contorted rib cage will likely impact breathing as well.

Two example postures - both incorrect.

The one thing that image on the right got correct, is that your pelvis should be titled slightly forward. Ideally, you want the pelvis tilted slightly forward, with a smooth transition into a flattened back. A good example of forward pelvis tilt with a flattened back is the blue rider pictured in the next picture featured). His pelvis is tilted forward (similar to the "correct (but not really correct)" image above, but he also has some mid back curvature with a smooth transition from pelvis to mid back. This makes it easier to engage your core muscles better to support your upper body. Try sitting in a chair, bending forward a bit (while keeping your feet off the ground) and see how easy or hard it is to support your upper body when rolling the top of your hips forward or backwards. Flattening the upper back is also very important for breathing which we touch on further below.

rider example

This type of rider position is often seen in professional riders, and is explained in more detail in "Bike Fit" by Phil Burt (lead physiotherapist for British Cycling and a consultant physio for Team Sky):

POSTURE

Posture is the maintenance of a certain body position and requires appropriate joint mobility, joint/muscle coordination and muscular endurance. Limits in any of these elements can result in postural irregularities. Good posture on the bike required good flexibility through the hamstrings and the glutei muscles: this allows the pelvis to roll forward, keeping the back in a straight position while reaching the handlebars.

One major factor limiting the back's ability to remain relatively straight while on a bicycle is thoracic immobility: lack of movement in the middle of the spine normally results in the spine flexing too much. Excessive spinal flexion while on a bicycle will limit breathing and compromise your ability to stability your spine for torque production to the pedals.

-Phil Burt, Bike Fit

Breathing

A second key consideration in cycling is breathing, which can be impacted by posture:

There are both anatomical and bicycle limiters to ventilation. An example of an anatomical limiter to ventilation would be being too flexed through the thoracic spine (that is, bent forward), not allowing the ribcage to expand sufficiently.

-Phil Burt, Bike Fit

In both posture positions in the top photo, neither have a flat back, which will impact the effectiveness of breathing. In the photo on the left, the ribcage is flexed through the thoracic region as described in the quote above. In the second image on the right the thoracic region is again being flexed, but in the opposite direction. This will again impact the efficiency of ventilation compared to a flattened back.

Not only is effective ventilation important, but inefficient ventilation mechanics can cause secondary breathing muscles to be over worked which can lead to pain. (Breathing is incredibly important, your body will find a way to draw breath, even through poor mechanics if necessary, exhausting muscle not "designed" for such extended usage scenarios):

Ventilation for the endurance athlete is most effectively performed through diaphragmatic breathing, in which contraction and relaxation of the diaphragm pulls and pushes air from the lungs. Secondary muscles of ventilation include the inter-costals (between the ribs), the abdominal musculature, the trapezius, the levator scapulae and the scalenes. If diaphragmatic breathing is compromised these secondary muscles can become chronically overworked leading to myofascial type pain (i.e., pain between the muscle and the muscle covering). This is often seen in the upper neck and shoulder muscles.

-Phil Burt, Bike Fit

No there is no way to know whether posture and ventilation mechanics are responsible for the OP's neck pain, but I think both of the posture pictured in the top posture photos could lead to such problems.

Endurance position, same principle

Finally, race positions are obviously not the best position for everyone! Here is another example of pelvis titled forward with a flat back, but in a more sustainable "endurance" type position which have a higher front end stack and a more upright position:

Same principles, endurance position

The rider also has a good elbow bend, straight wrists, and relaxed shoulders. Overall, a great position.

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  • To me it looks like the riders in the race photo have their hips closer to "backward" than "forward" positions. The angle is different, though, so hard to tell for sure. – ojs Sep 14 '20 at 16:26
  • @ojs Start from just above the saddle and follow forward, both riders in the race photo show a forward progression, indicating the top of the pelvis is tilted forward. The blue rider has some items in his jersey pocket, which can trick the eye a bit. You want a slight tilt forward, not an excessive tilt, otherwise they would be riding on their genitals. – Rider_X Sep 14 '20 at 16:33
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From experience, a neutral/middling position between the two pictured extremes is about normal, assuming you're on the hoods.

When you want to get aero and go fast, then your head is lower, and your back should be more level while ideally remaining straight like an arrow.

When climbing, your aero benefit drops so its easier to breath when you're upright and on the hoods or right up on the tops. In this case, sitting up is much better for your power output which becomes muscle/HR limited, not oxygen-limited.

When you get tired on a long ride, its easy to arch the back which contributes to overall pain. The fix is to safely flex to the other side of neutral.

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  • It sounds reasonable but I dont who devotes the answer and the reason..? – Cray Kao Mar 31 '18 at 11:31
  • @CrayKao Probably because its a boring "middling" answer without any useful information. Your body is telling you something is wrong. – Criggie Mar 31 '18 at 12:10

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