# Is a Single Speed bike faster than a Geared bike? [closed]

For a broad spectrum of riding my answer is Yes. Here's my logic.

There are 5 major principals to consider in no particular order. Air resistance, drag, weight, rolling resistance (centrifugal or rotating mass) and Friction.

In all of those 5 principals, the single speed has an advantage. So much so, that you'd quickly find that you need a bigger gear ratio to maintain the same optimum cadence, thus maintaining a higher speed given that same cadence.

The breakdown. Geared bikes carry more weight. They also create more air resistance and drag. The derailer carries more weight, air resistance and drag. The derailer also creates more friction from the pullie cogs themselves and the action of the derailer adding the tensions involved. Granted, a single speed drivetrain also has tension and friction, but only over two points of contact, not four. The friction and tension over those extra two points of contact while small, in combination with other elements, becomes significant. Rotating mass plays it's part as well. The mass of the cassettes, the larger hubs and it's internal parts, the derailer pullies, all of it, adds rotating resistance. The chain being longer and heavier also adds weight and rotating mass thus creating resistance. The hubs, cassettes, derailers (front and rear) and chainrings and chain length, all create extra points air resistance and drag.

Add all that up... to a lot of deficits. Having gone from 22 speed to 1X 7,8,9 to SS to Fixed and back to SS. Here's what I've found:

My Commute times drop by 7 minutes on my 16 mile commute and 3 minutes on my 6 mile commute going from geared to SS. Why? Because for the same cadence I'm in a bigger gear ratio so my average speed is higher overall. On the hills I don't have a lower gear ratio to drop to, so I accelerate to the ascent and hold my cadence as long as possible. This does two things, I start the ascent at a higher speed and cadence and it forces me to power on to maintain the cadence. Without the lower gear I find I crest the hill faster as long as the grade isn't such that I fall out of my personal powerband. With gears I drop to lower ratios, so while it was easier to pedal up the hill, I was also doing so at a slower pace, much slower in fact. If you're not going up mountain hills constantly why would you want to stay on the hill any longer than you have to? The faster you get up the hill, the faster you get off the hill! I find I save more energy this way as well as saving time. Hills add the most time to a route. If I spend 20 second's on a hill SS and 30 seconds geared? I mean I could power up the hill geared but it would still be a lower ratio than the SS because of all of the power sapping deficits. I'd still get up the hill faster!!! And then I'd accelerate down hill. Granted if the hill is really long I might be able to catch myself.... Maybe. Sometimes. Most times no. I've tried. I have to work hard to do it though, meanwhile I'm resting on the descent on SS...10 seconds ahead.

But overall? Same cadence and higher gear ratio equals higher average speed. Descent speeds on average are more than nullified by ascent speeds and flats. Again this is as long as your hill grades aren't too steep. Then of course you're going to pass me by. It's also why I don't recommend Fixed for long commutes with hills, you don't get to rest and your decent speeds are drastically reduced unless you feel comfortable unclipping or unstrapping or skidding a lot.

And last but not least, Single Speeds make you a much stronger rider, physically. I'm always amazed at how much stronger I feel going back to geared, especially when climbing. You've just built up so much power.

Disagree? Let me know, why.

• OK, now try climbing a hill. Or cycling into the wind (or with the wind, for that matter). Commented Dec 28, 2018 at 19:36
• April Fools Day isn't for another three months. Commented Dec 28, 2018 at 19:52
• I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because its not constructive Commented Dec 28, 2018 at 20:40
• You have to power through. Ummm. Yeah. Sure. Go get yourself a USA Cycling license and do a real race or two. Then try saying that. Hint: it don't work that way. Commented Dec 28, 2018 at 20:48
• I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is not a question asked in good faith. Commented Dec 29, 2018 at 1:05

This deserves to be up front:

The bike with the faster rider on it is faster.

But...

In general, a geared bike will be faster than a single-speed bike.

Friction losses and weight differences are negligible - if they exist. A single-speed bike can very well be heavier and lose more power to friction than a geared bike. And on good bikes of either type, the losses are negligible anyway.

Assuming such a thing as "optimal cadence" exists, it should be obvious that gearing enables a cyclist to ride at optimal cadence for the best power generation over a much wider range of terrain.

Yes it does.

Some of the many peer-reviewed, published scientific research on cycling cadence:

Effect of cadence selection on peak power and time of power production in elite BMX riders: A laboratory based study

The relationship between cadence, pedalling technique and gross efficiency in cycling

And yes, rotating vs non-rotating mass is a bogus differentiation:

The influence of flywheel weight and pedalling frequency on the biomechanics and physiological responses to bicycle exercise

... Measured physiological, subjective and biomechanical indices did not change significantly with flywheel weight. ...

More on "rotating mass"

Rotating mass, the math and the myth...

he effect of the rotating mass on a bike is less than 2% of the energy required to accelerate to a reasonable speed the masses involved

and

Wheel Performance

...

In summary, wheels account for almost 10% of the total power required to race your bike and the dominant factor in wheel performance is aerodynamics. Wheel mass is a second order effect (nearly 10 times less significant) and wheel inertia is a third order effect (nearly 100 times less significant). ...

Like I said - mass is mass. Rotating or not simply does not matter.

And finally:

Good cyclists who want a harder ride will show up to group rides on their single-speed bike instead of their geared bike.

• I have never said that optimal cadence doesn't exist. I've mentioned that it does several times. As for the articles you speak of. If all of that took into consideration all that I have said then velodrome long distance races would be done on geared bikes. They do not. Fixed gear and single speed drivetrains are always more efficient. Rotating mass is real. Otherwise you wouldn't be buying those \$3000 rims for those \$15000 bikes. Commented Dec 28, 2018 at 21:39
• Rotating mass is used to measure and dictates how much energy is needed to complete a rotation. That energy is taken into consideration in the most advanced power meters used today and make them much more accurate. Commented Dec 28, 2018 at 21:40
• @JamesMcClellanZEXX3S Otherwise you wouldn't be buying those \$3000 rims for those \$15000 bikes. I'll quote the research again: "In summary, wheels account for almost 10% of the total power required to race your bike and the dominant factor in wheel performance is aerodynamics." That's what you're paying for with \$3,000 wheels - aerodynamics. Commented Dec 28, 2018 at 21:41
• @JamesMcClellanZEXX3S Rotating mass is used to measure and dictates how much energy is needed to complete a rotation. That energy is taken into consideration in the most advanced power meters used today and make them much more accurate. Again - do the math. It's simple physics. The energy difference in accelerating rotational mass vs non-rotational mass is measured in the low-single digit watts. As in like two or three. And you display an alarming misunderstanding of inertia - once those "rotating masses" are accelerated to a steady-state speed they don't use more energy. Commented Dec 28, 2018 at 21:44
• @JamesMcClellanZEXX3S -- You said Rotating mass is used to measure and dictates how much energy is needed to complete a rotation. Bullshit. Rotating mass affects acceleration, but it has nothing to do with the energy required to complete a rotation. Commented Dec 28, 2018 at 22:30

I strongly suspect you are faster on your single speed on your commute because there is a psychological effect of being on the single speed bike that makes you work harder or cycle more effectively.

You cannot say that the single speed forces you to be in a higher gear than the geared bike on hill. I'm sure the geared bike has the same approximate ratio available the single has (an higher), so if you have the power to ride up a hill in a higher gear just do that on the geared bike.

Update to make this a real answer rather than what should have been a comment...

For a rider to be fast, what we care about is absolute power at the rear wheel not efficiency. A more more powerful rider on a slightly less efficient bike is still faster than a less powerful rider. What derailleur gears do is enable the rider be more powerful on average, over a range of resistance levels (aka hills) by allowing them to ride at their most powerful cadence for a given resistance.

• Argenti. No the same power output and cadence with the same ratio on a Geared bike is not the same as on SS. The power drain from the 5 principles says it is not possible. Friction and rotating mass alone should tell you immediately that this is so and that the drivetrain of the Single Speed is more efficient. Commented Dec 28, 2018 at 20:48
• @JamesMcClellanZEXX3S Friction losses at any decent speed on any decent bike are negligible compared to aerodynamic drag. "Rotating mass" vs "non-rotating mass" is bogus - mass is mass. And the difference in mass of a fixed vs a geared bike isn't all that much. Commented Dec 28, 2018 at 20:52
• Argenti. Umm what you just said goes against just about every principle if Physics. It's why lighter wheels tires, tubes or lack of tubes is important. The principle doesn't up and die because it's not on the wheels themselves. Crank circumference & weight, cassettes and how many cogs, their circumferences & weight. The chain, its length & weight multiplied by crank and cog circumference and so on... It takes energy to move anything. With wheels, the bigger the wheel and the greater the mass dictates how much energy is required. That is the principle of centrifugal forces - rotating mass Commented Dec 28, 2018 at 21:20
• Comparing different forces and neglecting those that are very small in comparison to others certainly does not go against "any principle of physics". This approach is approximation and it is at the very core of anything but ab initio approaches to the most fundamental problems. Commented Dec 28, 2018 at 21:31
• Argenti, you should add a definition of "power". I suspect that Opie misunderstands that concept. Commented Dec 28, 2018 at 23:35

An ability to formulate a seemingly non self-contradicting yes/no-typed question does not make that question answerable with a "yes" or "no".

It is like that `1/x = 0, find x` math problem is not answerable with a numerical `x`.

You might expect that for your title question, one would argue that exactly one of three possible outcomes is true:

• single speed bikes are faster than geared;
• single speed bikes are slower than geared;
• single speed bikes are as fast as geared.

The reality is, none of these alternatives is true.

There are certainly cases when single speed is faster: all track competitions in closed venues are done on single-cog fixes. Single speed is also faster with your legs on your bikes on your commutes if you believe so.

There are certainly cases when geared bikes have speed advantage. The major road race and mountain bike competitions have all competitors on geared bikes. And they are not disillusioning themselves — a lot of money is on stake, and a lot of professionals prepare bikes and athletes to be the fastest. Let me remind you that historically, the first Tour de France were done on single speeds, simply because competitors had no other choice. But as soon as geared options become available, and despite certain resistance of the race organizers, competition moved to geared systems.

There were situations at downhill competitions when a bike with a broken and lost chain won the first place. There are benefits to lack of chain, like better operation of rear suspension. But I assume no one would argue that chainless bikes are "faster" than their chain-handicapped counterparts. After all, it was the rider's skill that brought a victory.

All in all, I am happy that you have so much fun on your single speed bike, because I enjoy mine also, and they certainly are a lot of fun, even if faster/slower/whatever.

• Yes, but the pro bike races you speak of are really long races. Even the shorter stage time trials their ratios are single step and many only use 7 cogs and many pros sit in only one ratio the entire stage in those. But for short 5 to 20 mile rides with minimal hills? I'm not talking your weekend 50 mile or century rides where yes you'd likely do a little better with a geared bike considering the terrain. Buy I've done those around her in the Washington DC metropolitan area. It's not flat by no means and I've done them single speed I was fine. Commented Dec 28, 2018 at 20:20
• Your original statement and reasoning says nothing about the distance. If distance plays a role in definitively answering your question (which, I reiterate, has no answer), then what is the distance limit when single speed becomes worse/better than something geared? 10 miles? 20 miles? Or maybe it should be kilometers? If such limit exists, then there must be a mathematical equation that allows to find it. Do you know such formula? If you state that something exists, the best proof is to show it. Commented Dec 28, 2018 at 20:34
• @JamesMcClellanZEXX3S But on a flat surface their is no way a geared bike is faster. It's heavier. On a flat surface, even if the geared bike is heavier, that minimal weight difference simply does not matter. Speed on a flat surface is pretty much determined by power vs drag. It has more friction. Where does a geared bike have more friction? Pedals are the same. Wheel bearings are the same. Crankset bearings are the same. Chain losses? Again, the same. I want you to explain where a single-speed bike has less friction losses than a geared bike. It should be good. Commented Dec 28, 2018 at 21:23
• The derailleur and cassette might increase drag. Drivetrain friction might also be slightly higher. Increased weight likely increases friction losses in hubs and rolling resistance. However, as you said before, we are talking about very small reduction in efficiency that may easily be outweighed by biomechanic gains from close to optimal gear ratios. Including a more aero position. Commented Dec 28, 2018 at 21:46
• @James. Comments should only be used for clarifying answers. If you do not like the answer, you down vote it, and/or post your own answer and let the community decide. Commented Dec 28, 2018 at 23:10