Iam checking out my new mtb for it's parts.

  1. How can I be sure, the cagelength on the rearderailleur it has the right lenght for a derailleur. The difference between the large and the small on the rear is from 42 to 11, and from 36 to 26 at the crankset.

  2. Before I replace the chain, What is a chain guide for.

  3. How can I check, if the chainline is correctly measured before I replace the crankset and the chain, and mounting the wheel.

  • 31+10 is 41... what is confusing about that? What do you mean by "chain guide"? Nov 23 '19 at 21:51
  • There seem to be three questions here - capacity of a rear deralleur, use of a chain guide, and chain line. Check the suggested links on the right for existing questions that duplicate each part.
    – Criggie
    Nov 24 '19 at 10:31
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    Not clear what the last paragraph means. With square taper BBs, you may need to select a spindle length to get the chainline correct. Please clarify if this is the case; with modern cranksets, you just get the crankset and BB. As far as I know, if you want a triple, you would just get a triple crankset, BB, derailleurs, and shifters. That setup will determine the chainline already. No measuring needed.
    – Weiwen Ng
    Nov 25 '19 at 16:09
  • @mic'sBike I'm guessing English might not be your native language. Your last edit added more confusing terms and reverted to old misspellings. Consider discussing in Bicycles Chat
    – Criggie
    Feb 29 '20 at 1:36
  • thanks al lot. I will try put on a cranck set
    – mic's bike
    Mar 23 '20 at 18:00

The first paragraph is hard to understand. It sounds like you're saying you have an 11-42 cassette and 36/26 chainrings, and you want to know what sort of RD you need. If this is true, then manufacturers will state a chain capacity for their RDs. If not, please rewrite the question more clearly.

Chain capacity is the sum of your largest minus smallest cassette cog and the largest and smallest chainring. You need a capacity of (42-11) + (36-26) = 41 teeth. I suspect this means a long cage RD, but check the specs.

I think that "chain guide" usually means some sort of guide to prevent the chain falling off a single front chainring. You do not need one for a 2x system (and you might not even need one for a 1x system, although mountain bike readers might want to read the addendum to the answer). In any case, this sort of chain guide isn't relevant to sizing your chain. (Pro tip: if you drop your chainring off the inner ring, shift to your outer ring and keep pedaling; this will often derail the chain onto the small ring. The same can work if you drop the chain off the outer ring, provided it hasn't got wrapped around anything).

If your old chain was correctly sized, then you could just break the old one, then put the new one alongside it, and cut the new one to the same length as the old one. Otherwise, Park Tools has a good explanation of how to size a chain.

I don't know what your third question means. Please clarify.

Bonus: I have not paid attention to chain retention devices for 1x drivetrains over the years. However, a recent article on the Cannondale Slate reminded me that chain guides were a mechanism to aid chain retention for 1x systems. A chain guide can be seen in this 2016 review of the Cannondale Slate, which was arguably a precursor to modern gravel bikes, with an earlier version of the SRAM Force 1x drivetrain.

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I don't believe these chain guides ever became popular on drop bar bikes. On 1x CX race bikes in the 2000s, my recollection is that riders would sandwich their chain in between chain guards mounted to the crank. That was considered the gold standard. I recall an alternative standard being an outer chainguard and a chain guide mounted on the seat tube, but I don't recall this being that common; you might as well get the second guard.

By the 2010s, I believe that 1x drivetrains had become common on mountain bikes. When drop bar bikes imported them, I believe the technology was already developed enough that chain guides weren't widely used. The 2016 Slate in the link had a narrow-wide chainring and a clutch rear derailleur, both of which are currently considered sufficient for chain retention without a guide. Indeed, the review article already alluded to this, and I saw one other review of the Slate from that era without a chain guide.

I'm not familiar with mountain bikes, but it seems like chain guides may be popular on downhill bikes. Some cross country or enduro mountain bike riders may opt for the extra protection of a chain guide. Two recent cross country world champions, Nino Schurter and Kate Courtney appear to have chain guides mounted.

  • Good answer - OP doesn't need a chain guide cos they have two chainrings. Perhaps they mean "front deralleur" which looks kind-of like a chain guide ?
    – Criggie
    Dec 6 '19 at 20:24
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    @Criggie you jogged my memory a bit. purely for fun, I added some background info on chain guides.
    – Weiwen Ng
    Dec 6 '19 at 21:42
  • They could also be talking about a chain catcher. They can be used in conjunction with a front derailleur to minimise dropped chains. This image shows a red K-Edge chain catcher bolted in front of the front derailleur. Feb 29 '20 at 2:28

How can I check if the chain line is correctly measured between the rear hub and the crankset? Is it calculated for 2 or 3 chain rings?

Chainline is a measurement in millimetres for the offset from the bike's centerline, out to the right (drive side) to the "middle" of the crankset or cassette.

from https://www.sheldonbrown.com/chainline.html

Ideally in your preferred gear combinations, your chain would be as straight as possible to minimise losses to an angled chain. It takes some energy to bend/flex the chain while riding and that energy is not available to power your ride.

So for many riders, that means the big chainring should be lined up with the second or third smallest cog in the cassette. For a fixed-gear/singlespeed both chainring and cog should be in-line to minimise losses.


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