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I am pretty sure that almost everyone in this community knows the answer to this question but not me. I found this picture on the internet. enter image description here

I am just a beginner and I still don't understand the difference between Altus and Acera, TX and TZ, where is Tiagra, Claris, Dura-Ace, and other major types of derailleur in this list. I somehow find the SRAM lineup to be clean and easy to understand but Shimano is a total mess for me. Can someone please explain the complete hierarchy of Shimano derailleurs? Am I the only one who messes this up? Thank you!

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    What you’ve got is the MTB hierarchy. I might write a full answer tomorrow, but here’s a quick overview of the Shimano road hierarchy (which includes your Claris, tiagra, and DA): hub.chainreactioncycles.com/latest-news/road/…
    – MaplePanda
    Oct 4 '20 at 5:56
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    Aside - you're not the only one who finds it confusing !
    – Criggie
    Oct 4 '20 at 11:49
  • That link is not very useful. Claris and Sora are essentially identical except for the extra cog and lighter chainrings. Tiagra uses the same rim brakes as Claris, but has a hydraulic option. 4700 dates from 2015 not 2019; the 2019 update is for hydraulic brifters only (which are now much the same as more expensive ones, but the rim brake brifters are still based on previous generation kit ). Most of the rest of it is vague marketing speak.
    – thelawnet
    Oct 4 '20 at 11:50
  • @thelawnet It doesn’t explain WHY or HOW they’re different, but it got the hierarchy right.
    – MaplePanda
    Oct 4 '20 at 18:31
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refer here:

https://productinfo.shimano.com/download/pdf/spec/3.1/en

Mostly this is MARKETING.

Shimano tend to use the same designs for a lot of their products, but typically these are introduced earlier on higher groupsets and are 'trickled down' to lower ones.

Also your picture is quite old and SRAM have since complicated it considerably with its 'Eagle' groupsets.

If you refer here https://si.shimano.com/

then you can look at the actual diagrams for each derailleur

Referring to my first link, the current 'XTR' consists of three derailleurs:

  • M9100-GS
  • M9100-SGS
  • M9120-SGS

then Deore XT is:

  • M8100-SGS
  • M8120-SGS

SLX is:

  • M7100-SGS
  • M7100-SGS

Deore is:

  • M6100-SGS
  • M5100-SGS
  • M5120-SGS
  • M4120-SGS

This is the exploded diagram for M9100-GS/SGS

https://si.shimano.com/api/publish/storage/pdf/en/ev/RD-M9100/EV-RD-M9100-4387D.pdf

GS means long cage, and SGS means super long cage

The parts differ in the jockey wheel cage, which is two pieces of metal or carbon fibre enclosing the two jockey wheels

The outer cage is here

https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/gear-spares/shimano-xtr-rdm9100-outer-plate-assembly-sgs-type-y3fa98080/ for SGS

https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/gear-spares/shimano-xtr-rdm9100-outer-plate-assembly-sgs-type-y3fa98070/ for GS

both parts are VERY expensive because if you refer to my first link they are both made from carbon fibre. The SGS is 90mm cage (wheel axle to wheel axle) while GS is 74mm

The spec shows that this is 237g vs 240g, which you might think is nothing and indeed it is, but the spec also notes that the GS is designed for Shimano's 10-45t cassette, and SGS for the 10-51 cassette. Because of the extreme size of modern MTB cassettes, and Shimano's Shadow design (where there is only one sprung pivot, not two), a derailleur that works well with a certain large cog size might not work so well for a smaller cog.

So we can see if we look elsewhere CS-M9100-12 is 357g for the 10-45t and 367g for the 10-51t. Again, this is not a big difference, but if you are a strong athlete and do not need the low cog, then it makes no sense to have it, because with the smaller cassette range you get 28-32-36-40-45 cogs, which are BETTER than 28-33-39-45-51, in that smaller steps mean you can more likely pedal at your best cadence. If you are not a strong athlete that doesn't matter so much, and you'd be grateful for the extra 51t gear on hard climbs.

So the XTR (XT Race) has a philosophy of offering a small adjustment to suit the specific preferences of elite athletes.

The other XTR RD is

https://si.shimano.com/api/publish/storage/pdf/en/ev/RD-M9120/EV-RD-M9120-4388D.pdf

If one looks down to Deore XT, then M8120 is THE SAME DESIGN as M9120, and M8100-SGS the same design as M9100-SGS

But, the lower knuckle on the XT ('plate body') is GFRP and the one on the XTR is CFRP. The latter is a very high quality material, the former not so much.

The outer cage plate on the XT is aluminium, rather than CFRP:

https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/gear-spares/shimano-deore-xt-rdm8100-outer-plate-assembly-sgs-type-y3fw98080/

and it's 7g heavier as a result (the inner plate is the same)

The XTR uses higher quality lighter fittings, such as this one:

enter image description here

at 10g

whereas the XT is 18g

enter image description here

The jockey wheels on the XTR are 20g vs 26g

https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/gear-spares/shimano-xtr-rdm9100-tension-guide-pulley-set-y3fa98090/ https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/gear-spares/shimano-deore-xt-rdm8100-tension-guide-pulley-set-y3fw98010/

And so on.

This results in the XTR being 44g lighter. So it's slightly lighter, slightly higher quality, and far more expensive.

If you look at SLX, then comparing the table it's almost identical to XT. But the outer cage plate is 66g rather than 35g, as it's made of steel

https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/gear-spares/shimano-slx-rdm7100-outer-plate-assembly-sgs-type-y3fy98050

In addition, SLX (and its road equivalent 105) uses relatively cheap jockey wheels without sealed bearings. An athlete could expect to give up 1W (out of 300W) because of this.

So the SLX and XT derailleurs are all but identical, except for the jockey wheels and a cage plate, and if you had purchased a bike with SLX derailleur then you could very sensibly replace the jockey wheels (which are also more durable). Possibly the cage plate too, although it might be a different colour!

Looking at the M6100 then it appears to be almost identical to the SLX

https://si.shimano.com/api/publish/storage/pdf/en/ev/RD-M6100/EV-RD-M6100-4677.pdf

except there is a slightly different bracket axle, and the inner cage plate is steel rather than aluminium. This adds up to 10g.

Again, you could effectively upgrade your M6100 derailleur to XT level by replacing the jockey wheels, and maybe the cage plates (though this latter is not so crucial, though lighter weight hanging off your wheel can't be a bad thing).

For 2020-1 Shimano have split 'Deore' into three levels:

  • 12-speed
  • 11-speed
  • 10-speed

The latter of these would previously have been known as Alivio, but due to people sharing inaccurate diagrams like yours they decided to call it 'Deore', as it allows them to sell a lower quality groupset a higher price and most people won't notice.

We can see this if we refer to the M4120 derailleur in the specification table, where we see no 'GFRP', and lots of 'resin', which means 'cheap plastic'. Shimano may use different kinds of 'resin', but it's a sign you have a relatively cheaper derailleur.

If we look at M5100 and the diagram https://si.shimano.com/api/publish/storage/pdf/en/ev/RD-M5100/EV-RD-M5100-4675.pdf

then it turns out it's based on the M8100/M7100/M6100 derailleur

https://si.shimano.com/api/publish/storage/pdf/en/ev/RD-M6100/EV-RD-M6100-4677.pdf

however the spec notes it's '11' rather than '12' speed. The 11-speed jockey wheels have a different part number, so are likely subtly different.

The M5120 and M4120 derailleurs appear to use similar construction, but M5120 has 'Shadow+', which means it has a clutch, whereas M4120 does not. The clutch mechanism is in fact identical across XTR, XT, SLX, Deore.

Looking beyond Deore, scrolling down we find M3100 Alivio, which is in fact (looking at older spec sheets) based on M3000 Acera, so Shimano have reduced the quality of Alivio to Acera level.

Of course there wasn't much difference before. Comparing M3100 Alivio (which would previously have been called Acera) with the M2000 Altus, then the specs show only very minor differences, and it would be hard to call the Alivio a meaningful upgrade on the Altus.

The other difference with Alivio/Acera/Altus/Tourney is they are a different design intended for older drivetrains which used a triple or double front chainset, and a smallish cassette sized 11-36 or 11-34. This is very different from the current Deore-XTR, which use large 10-45 or 10-51 cassettes, which require a different derailleur design.

The distinction specifically with Tourney is that it doesn't follow the 'Shadow' design, which means it uses Shimano's older design, from more than 20 years ago.

The TX800 appears based on RD-M280 from 2012 https://si.shimano.com/api/publish/storage/pdf/en/ev/RD-TX800/EV-RD-TX800-3745.pdf which in turn will be based on much earlier derailleurs.

So there is not necessarily a big quality difference with Tourney, but Shimano don't really guarantee that - for example, a Tourney shifter might use lots of plastic internally whereas Altus might be more metal. It's more that Tourney is outside the groupset hierarchy and is not promoted or marketed - it's their intention to push people toward more profitable parts.

Note also that Tourney parts are typically made in Shimano's Indonesia factory, whereas higher grade parts are made in Malaysia, and the newest parts in Japan. A lot of people prefer 'Japan'.

As far as Di2 goes, Shimano haven't bothered with it for the latest series of parts. Maybe they will in the future. It's an electronic gear shifter for XTR and XT, which adds a motor to the derailleur. SRAM do have a slightly more advanced version of this called 'AXS', which is wireless.

Actual racers might not use even 'XT', if they aren't sponsored - for example, for brakes SLX and XT turn out to be almost identical, so you might find a bike with XT derailleur and SLX brakes.

As far as Saint goes, it's arguably Shimano's highest quality kit, but it came out in 2012, and uses 10 speeds, not 11 or 12. It's for downhill racing, which means it's strong as a priority, and won't work with a large gear range. It doesn't use any plastic except for the clutch mechanism, and the design is related to circa 2012 XT, and has little to do with modern stuff. Zee is the cheaper version of Saint, so some steel parts in place of aluminium, and SLX/Deore quality jockey wheels rather than the XT-grade sealed bearings on the Saint.

So you can't make too many generalisations, but generally XT is always high quality, XTR is for people who are sponsored or have lots of money, Deore and SLX for drivetrain purposes tend to be very similar, Alivio, Acera and Altus tend to be similar to each other and lower quality than Deore/SLX (but you can't just go by name, as the model number differs), while Tourney might be lower grade, but will lack anything vaguely recent in terms of design. Note also that Tourney has a bunch of different model numbers.

As far as SRAM goes, I don't care too much about them, but they have 'AXS' electronic wireless shifting, and then they have their 'Eagle' brand which refers to 12-speeds, which they got before Shimano. Initially this was very expensive, but now they have released several grades:

  • XX1 Eagle (Axs)
  • X01 Eagle (Axs)
  • GX Eagle
  • NX Eagle
  • SX Eagle

and are promoting these. This is quite confusing, as as your diagram shows they used to have the top 3 but not the bottom 2.

I have seen more than a dozen reports of broken SX Eagle derailleurs snapping at the top knuckle, due to use of poor quality plastic, so it's not clear where the quality level comes at all, as because on the one hand they want to promote 'Eagle' = good, but on the other hand the SX Eagle probably comes around Shimano's Alivio level (which is 9 speed vs SRAM's 12) in terms of quality of construction.

So don't believe for a moment that SRAM is less confusing, or that you can rely on brand names. In fact an older 'Deore' derailleur' might be higher quality than a newer SLX one. So....

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  • So essentially Shimano's range consists of two philosophies, a 'huge cassette' mostly 1x for the higher grade stuff and a 'modestly sized cassette' for 2x/3x for the lower stuff . 1x is heavily marketed so most people buy that for that reason. if you personally prefer 3x but with quality kit you'll have to buy older Shimano XT gear.
    – thelawnet
    Oct 4 '20 at 9:41
  • They have a similar thing on the road - while all the groupsets use double chainsets and modestly sized cassettes, so are functionally similar, unlike the MTB kit, there, if you want hydraulic disc brakes, then they only sell that at higher price point groupsets. So those seeking newer tech (1x for MTB, hydraulic brakes on road ) are forced to buy a higher priced groupset.
    – thelawnet
    Oct 4 '20 at 9:43
  • This is awesome, @thelawnet. Thank you! Oct 4 '20 at 10:07
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Shimano actually has a very clear progression of levels of components. Just look at the Line-Up Chart https://productinfo.shimano.com/#/lc.

It's easy to see what groupsets are supposed to be better than others. It is true there is a bit of a lack of differentiations between Altus, Acera and Alivio now these are all 9 speed groups.

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    XTR, xt, slx and Deore are now all 12-speed, too. Presumably because SRAM were eating their lunch with their range of progressively cheaper 1x12
    – thelawnet
    Oct 4 '20 at 13:38
  • Also they do have a 7 speed Altus/Acera listing still current, albeit using a Tourney TX chainset, so you could have a 7speed Acera bike. Probably they could just have three quality levels and then a number of speeds, but that would likely not permit the same level of price differentiation as they manage to achieve with their use of 'groupsets' differentiated by changing this bolt or that derailleur cage material or whatever
    – thelawnet
    Oct 4 '20 at 13:48

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