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I'm sure it is a simple fix to this, but please bear with me.

I have recently swapped my rear wheel on my bike (with an identical one, keeping the same cassette). Upon putting it back in, I noticed gears were not changing properly (chain was skipping or it wasn't moving smoothly to the next cog when changing gears).

I played a bit with the barrel adjuster, but before I managed to fix the problem I noticed that a. I could rotate the barrel adjuster infinitely in both directions and nothing was really "moving" and b. the chain wasn't going on the smallest cog anymore, no matter on which chain ring I was.

My questions would be:

  1. Is it normal that gears need adjustments if I change a wheel with another identical one?
  2. How can I fix the rear derailleur so that the chain gets on the smallest cog, and also fix the original problem of non-smooth gear changing?

Also, the barrel adjuster seems to be formed out of two components, each of them rotating independently (with the larger one moving vertically as well, with the help of a spring). Would appreciate some detailing of how this actually works. I have attached a few pictures.

I am talking about an Ultegra R8000 SS rear derailleur.

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No mechanical part is perfect in real life. There's a tolerance for everything, which means that your two identical model hubs may actually be slightly different dimensions. We are talking about a few tenths of a millimeter at most, but it only takes that much misalignment for your shifting to start feeling off.

Make sure your cassette is properly fastened.

You've unscrewed the barrel adjuster too much, which is pulling the cable too tightly and not allowing the derailleur to access the smallest cog. You should search up "how to index bike gears" to learn how to adjust the derailleur properly. You don't see any exaggerated movement because again, it only takes a fraction of a millimeter to make the shifting start to degrade. Even with lower-end derailleurs, each "click" that you feel of the barrel adjuster is 0.1mm, which is a tiny distance. Your high-quality R8000 derailleur has an even finer adjustment, so don't be surprised if you can't discern any movement. Don't worry, it did indeed move.

Speaking of barrel adjusters, they're basically a hollow bolt. Screwing them in decreases the cable tension, while screwing them out increases it (righty tighty lefty loosey). The outer sleeve thingy is both a cosmetic cover and also gives you the clicks you feel. When you screw the adjuster bolt in or out, the sleeve slides down thanks to the spring and hides the unsightly gap you're creating, adding stability to the assembly as well. There's little teeth on the sleeve which mesh with little teeth on the derailleur body itself, resulting in clicks.

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The inside of the barrel adjuster should screw into- and out of the derailleur when you turn it. The part around it should only slide lengthwise but should turn with it (there is a slot which allows it to slide lengthwise but ensures they turn with each other).

In my experience the Ultegra R8000 barrel adjuster has an unusually fine thread and needs quite a few turns to move a real distance.

If your second rear wheel is really identical to the first one (same hub, same cassette, same spacers on the cassette (if any) etc.) then it shouldn’t require derailleur adjustments. But I guess different torque on the cassette lockring or some other minor difference could be a reason.

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  • Why does the "bigger" part of the barrel adjuster slide lengthwise? Also, adjusting the barrel adjuster means turning "both" components? Sometimes the bigger part rotates easily and thus gets out of its slot.
    – linkyndy
    Feb 4 at 19:44
  • Anyway, in my case, shall I keep turning the barrel adjuster or I somehow "screwed" it? If I still have to keep turning, in what direction should I aim in order to allow the chain to move on the smallest cog?
    – linkyndy
    Feb 4 at 19:45
  • From your photos it looks like it’s screwed all the way out. Try screwing it in (clockwise). Maybe the threads aren’t even engaged? Screwing it in should lessen cable tension which should allow you to shift to the smallest cog (assuming the limit screws are set up correctly and that there is no excessive cable friction).
    – Michael
    Feb 4 at 20:22
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    When you shift to a bigger cog the shifter pulls in cable against the derailleur’s spring. When you shift to a smaller cog you release one step of the ratcheting mechanism and allow the derailleur to pull in the cable slack. That’s why you only need force when shifting to a bigger cog and also why the derailleur moves to the smallest cog if you remove the cable. (side note: there was one MTB shifting system called Rapid Rise where the direction was reversed) If you lessen the cable tension too much your shifting will be bad and you’ll be unable to shift to the biggest cog.
    – Michael
    Feb 4 at 21:05
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    @linkyndy Cable tension pulls the derailleur towards the largest cog, not the smallest one. If you loosen it too much, you won't be able to shift onto the larger cogs properly because there is too much slack.
    – MaplePanda
    Feb 5 at 5:16
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Regarding the barrel adjuster: it only has a few turns of adjustability before its parts unscrew from each other (the inner part is keyed to the derailleur body). You probably need to detach the cable, remove the barrel-adjuster parts, and put them back together. When you reassemble everything, you can't use the barrel adjuster to compensate for much misalignment (yes, I've had exactly the same problem).

This is Shimano's dealer manual for the derailleur, which gives their installation and adjustment guidelines. They're pretty fussy.

As to your question about the misalignment in the first place, I can't really answer that.

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    In my experience the Ultegra R8000 barrel adjuster has a very fine thread and needs a lot of turns to move.
    – Michael
    Feb 4 at 18:37
  • If I perform the actions you described, I still cannot use the barrel adjuster to compensate for alignment? Why is that? I thought that was its main purpose. What else would I have to look at?
    – linkyndy
    Feb 4 at 19:47
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    You can, you just can't use the barrel adjuster for wide-range adjustments.
    – Adam Rice
    Feb 4 at 20:44
  • Oh, I understand. I guess, in the end, since I didn't unscrew the cable or touch the limit screws, and added an identical wheel, that the barrel adjuster should be able to fix the issue by itself, right?
    – linkyndy
    Feb 4 at 20:51

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