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Intro

I am drafting a question about a frame problem, but I'm struggling with terminology.

It seems "appropriate for stack-exchange" to start by asking about the terminology first.

Main questions

What is the name of the part that connects the brake pivot to the frame?

And what are the sub-parts of it called?

My guesses

Here are the best names that come to my mind, followed by some photos.

The whole part: brake pivot base (which is clearly made up of four plates)

1: Pivot plate

2: Top plate

3: Bottom plate

4: Outside plate

Not numbered: Spring sockets (the holes in the "pivot plate")

level view from non-drive side slightly downward view from drive side level view from drive side upward view from non-drive side downward view from non-drive side

Minor thoughts

Use of "Brake pivot": Obviously, please let me know if you have an issue with the phrase "brake pivot" in the first place. I'm perfectly happy to call it something else: a caliper stud, a cantilever post, a brake boss, or any combination of the above. Personally I am resigned to the fact that there are many names in circulation, everyone has a preference and we will simply never settle on one name.

Let's stick to the question, please: Once again, this question is just about what the parts are called. Let's sort this out and then I will ask separately how to fix the frame. (I will then link it to this question so if you have some ideas already, then please feel free to Follow or Bookmark this question: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/345783/whats-the-difference-between-bookmarking-and-following-a-post)

Who cares anyway?: I know that there are not a lot of bikes like this. The bike is a BSO and I know that modern bikes tend to have a much neater setup. However, I would like to think that a configuration like this is not restricted to BSOs and therefore we will manage to establish some names, perhaps with input from those with experience in framebuilding or just general tinkering. And there is at least one bike with a similar setup already documented on here: Can this damage to my brake mounts be repaired?

I'm realistic: I accept that I probably won't get a link to a website that provides an authoritative answer. Just your loose thoughts will be welcome too. And I will fully accept comments on the value of my guesses: if the names I came up with are rubbish/confusing/ambiguous, please tell, I am not going to demand a better idea from you.

Edit: If you want to offer your thoughts on how to actually fix this, here is the question as promised: Brake post broke off the boss. How do I replace it?

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    Would you please remove the "My Guess" section? The question is voted for what it asks. Readers however will see a high rating and your guess and taller that for the answer. (1/2)
    – gschenk
    Apr 18 at 7:26
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    If you have an answer you think might be right: please go ahead and post it as an answer. We are perfectly happy with self-answering. That way readers benefit from your research and there is a rating to judge if it is a good answer. (2/2)
    – gschenk
    Apr 18 at 7:28
  • @gschenk Thanks. And apologies: not having the best time in general atm, I seem to just upset/offend everyone. Hence trying to fix the bike to clear my head. I thought including my guesses was one way of "showing my research" as recommended here: meta.stackexchange.com/help/how-to-ask Also, from the answers I received so far, I'm not convinced that the annotation on my photos is clear, and that it explains what I consider part 1 or 2 etc. So I thought my guesses might just help to explain what I'm on about. I don't mind if someone adds an answer with the same terms that I came up with.
    – pateksan
    Apr 18 at 13:54
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    I feel like you should edit out pretty much everything in this question aside from the words "what is this thing called" and the pictures
    – Richard
    Apr 18 at 18:56
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    @pateksan please don't worry. You don't nothing wrong. It is fine to include this. We make suggestions to improve the question. This sometimes means asking for extra info, sometimes removing text. In this case you included excellent pictures. They are enough. SE: collaborate to iteratively gather useful information.
    – gschenk
    Apr 19 at 9:39

2 Answers 2

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Those are cantilever or V-brake bosses. In cycling, a boss is a bump or protrusion. They are usually mounting points, and in this case the brake boss holds the post that your brake caliper is bolted to. In regular speech, a caliper is a measuring device with arms that pinch the object from outside (or they can expand into a hole). For brakes, the body of the brake itself is called the caliper.

An alternative name for a boss is a braze-on, and in fact, I think bosses are a subset of braze-ons; Criggie's answer contains more details on this term.

The boss you photographed appears to have lost the post that you’d slide the V or cantilever caliper over. That post is internally threaded, and you’d obviously bolt the caliper in place. (NB: v and cantilever brakes have two separate arms, and I am not sure what the proper term to refer to one half of the unit is, so I am going to say caliper. For road rim brakes and for disc brakes, caliper refers to the entire unit.) I assume this can be fixed, and a bike store could refer you to someone who could do this; I am not sure if all bike stores can do this themselves.

The 3 small holes are likely used to set the brake spring tension. I haven’t installed my own cantilever or V brakes, but I think there’s a secondary protrusion that you insert into, usually, the middle hole. Similar features can be seen in rear derailleur pulley cages, if you disassemble yours (most users won’t need to do this), or in some rear derailleur clutches (1x drivetrains will have these, and SRAM puts them on all their road groups, but otherwise these aren’t common on road groups).

I'm less sure about the names for the specific parts of the brake boss. Indeed, they're all designed differently, and I think that at minimum parts 2-4 are all considered parts of the brake boss and have no specific names. Part 1 appears to be where the brake stud is screwed into.

For more info, this Paragon Machine Works page shows a titanium brake boss, pictured below. Obviously, there's a threaded hole for the brake stud. I don't know that this has a specific name - it may, but I don't know what it is.

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Heading

By brake pivot, I tend to think of the brake's pivot points rather than the entire caliper. I think most people with some mechanical familiarity would have understood what the OP was saying. Anyway, Park Tools' page on rear derailleurs illustrates the upper pivot (copied their image below), and the lower pivot (not shown, but it's where the pulley cage attaches to the body). Basically, if we say "pivot", we're usually talking about a point where something pivots around. You attach V- and canti brakes to the brake posts at the brakes' pivot points. Pivot points may benefit from occasional lubrication, although they tend to be good for quite some time.

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    Re: Para2 - the first photo shows the post in place on the far side, through the wheel, but not in the foreground.
    – Criggie
    Apr 18 at 3:55
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    Thanks. I probably wrote the question badly: I did already (before asking) understand what the holes do, how the caliper is installed etc. So sorry if you feel I wasted your time. Hopefully I can ask you for some more input though: what would you call the little plate that the post was attached to? I mean the part labeled as 1 in my photos, which has the spring holes and the big hole where the post was. Please feel free to respond in a comment or edit it into your answer.
    – pateksan
    Apr 18 at 15:56
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    @pateksan My answer was not intended to imply that you had wasted anyone's time in any fashion. The sole intent was to inform readers of what I believe to be the more commonly understood terminology.
    – Weiwen Ng
    Apr 18 at 16:28
  • As he said in his answer, I don't think there are specific names for what you are labelling as the different "parts" of the brake boss. Apr 18 at 21:49
  • @NoahSutherland Yes, I admit I missed it. In my defence, that section was added via an edit sometime later. But it's definitely appreciated - thank you both.
    – pateksan
    Apr 18 at 22:53
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Weiwen's answer is correct - this is a V brake mount, and the three spring holes are part of that.

But the more-general phrase for something like this is a "braze-on" because in the days of steel frames, the little fiddly bits were made separately and secured to the steel frame with Brazing, not Welding.

A frame could have braze-on:

  • gear or brake cable stops so an inner cable can continue while the outer stops.
  • downtube shifter boss
  • rack mounting lug
  • pump pegs to hold a frame pump
  • water bottle bosses (brazed into a hole, not rivnuts)

An aluminium frame would probably have these fittings welded on, and a carbon fibre bike would have them moulded in or epoxied in place after coming out of the mold.

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    Don't forget braze-on water bottle mounts - down tube and seat tube, thankyouverymuch!
    – FreeMan
    Apr 18 at 17:26

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