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I really don't like the Shimano 105 levers on my bike.

I would like to switch them in favour of Campagnolo 2x11 Record, and would like to know if anyone tried to fit them with GRX system:

  • Front derailleur: GRX RX-810-F
  • Back derailleur: GRX RD-RX810

I have read somewhere that shimano 2x11 is compatible with Campagnolo 2x11.

Do you have any serious resources/forum threads on this?

Cheers!

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  • Please clarify, does the bike currently have the GRX derailleurs or do you think about replacing the current 105 derailleurs? Was the bike sold as a road bike or as a gravel bike? Feb 17, 2023 at 15:05
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    Interestingly, there is a series of products called "shiftmates" for translating cable pulls between systems, but they specifically call out the Campy 11 shifter/Shimano 11 derailleur combination as impossible (scroll down to "Shiftmate X").
    – Adam Rice
    Feb 17, 2023 at 16:19
  • @VladimirFГероямслава I want to switch the levers only, and keep the current GRX derailleurs
    – mrzob
    Feb 18, 2023 at 15:49

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Each time you shift, the shifter pulls the cable a fixed distance (for Campy, the distance varies slightly, but functionally you can ignore this). That's called the cable pull. Then, for each mm of cable pulled, the rear derailleur moves a set amount, known as the actuation ratio. For example, I believe that 11s Shimano road RDs have an actuation ratio of about 1.4, i.e. for each mm of cable pulled, the RD moves 1.4mm horizontally. I believe Shimano 11s road shifters have a cable pull of about 2.7mm per shift.

These quantities vary slightly for Campagnolo 11s shifters. Arts Cyclery used to have a blog post with the numbers, but it may have been taken down. I believe that the actuation ratio and cable pull are 1.5 and (an average of) 2.6mm respectively.

When people say that Shimano and Campy 11s are compatible, they mean that if you put a 11s Campy wheel in your otherwise Shimano bike, it will shift properly. The reverse is also true. You're generally not recommended to mix each brand's shifters and derailleurs. The numbers for 11s groups seem pretty close, but the errors will add up over the full cassette. That setup is not guaranteed to work.

Also, Campy has a different chain of spare parts. In particular, when you need new shifter hoods, you'll have to find someone who stocks Campy. Campy shifters also take slightly smaller shift cable heads, although I'm not sure if ordinary cables are effectively interchangeable. Anyway, if you aren't going to make the whole bike Campy, then I would question if swapping the shifters alone for Campy is worth it, even if the rear derailleur was compatible.

Last, the brake's cable pull ratio, if you were using cable actuated brakes, is slightly different between Shimano and Campy. For rim brakes, you are probably a bit better off keeping the same brand's brakes and shifters paired. For hydraulic systems, 11s Campy shifters use mineral oil. I believe that when introduced, it was blue Magura oil. The 12s system has switched to a red oil. Magura and Shimano oil have been reported as interchangeable in practice, although Magura and Shimano both have sworn that the oils will destroy the brake seals. If you were talking about using SRAM shifters (which use DOT fluid), this would most definitely not work, and you would wreck the seals for sure.

That said, as a side note, a Campy front shifter will shift a Shimano front derailleur. I know this from my cyclcross days, when bikes frequently had 'Frankenstein' drivetrains.

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  • Very complete and interesting answer. Found this link (en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Bicycles/Maintenance_and_Repair/…) that gave all the numbers. So if I understand well your explaination, if I succeed to make the cable pull of the campagnolo to pull 2.7mm of cable for each shift instead of 2.6mm, I will have a full compatibility with Shimano rear derailleur, is that right?
    – mrzob
    Feb 18, 2023 at 16:08
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There are two things you need to consider:

  • how much shifter cable is taken per shift by the shifter (i.e. cable pull)
  • how much the derailleur cage moves sideways per unit of length of cable pulled (i.e. the pull or shift ratio)
  • cog spacing

There is no standard regarding all three parameters that all manufacturers adhere to, though some use the same values. I've found an earlier post with exact data for the big three (Using 9 speed bar end shifters in friction mode with 10 speed derailleurs and cassette), and according to that Campy uses 2.6 mm of cable pull in their 11-speed groupsets and a pull ratio of 1.5. Shimano, on the other hand, uses 2.7 mm of cable pull and a 1.4 pull ratio. Combining cable pull from Campy and pull ratio from Shimano, you fall about 0.14 mm short every shift, or 1.4 mm across the entire cassette.

You will most likely end up with acceptable shifting for most gears, but when riding in extreme gears (i.e. smallest or biggest) you will probably also get a lot of chain rub and noise. I know that it would be a dealbreaker for me, but maybe it's acceptable for you.

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