Does anyone yet make an affordable quad chainring? I would love to see a 4x12 with my staggered cog idea such that all 12 gears are shifted progressively using the 4 chainrings. Each chainring would engage only 3 cogs. I think the "double shifting" would be quite easy. On the gear indicator (1 thru 12), every 3rd gear could be marked with a different color number to indicate to the rider that a "double" shift is required next. Generally when the rider settles into a good pace on reasonably flat pavement, he/she will only be using 1 chainring and using the 3 gears for it to fine tune the cadence. For example, if the chainrings are labelled A,B,C and D and each cog for each of those chainrings is labeled 1 thru 3, someone might be using C2 gear but shift to C1 for a slight headwind and C3 for a slight tailwind.

I think it is a good and interesting idea and would look cool too.

I played around in a spreadsheet and came up with these ratios:

  1. 20/40 = 0.5
  2. 20/33 = 0.61
  3. 20/27 = 0.74
  4. 28/31 = 0.9
  5. 28/26 = 1.09
  6. 28/21 = 1.33
  7. 36/22 = 1.64
  8. 36/18 = 2
  9. 36/15 = 2.4
  10. 44/15 = 2.93
  11. 44/13 = 3.38
  12. 44/11 = 4.00

Notice that the 15 cog repeats cuz the difference between the 36 and 44 chainrings is close enough to 20%.

Also notice the overall spread of the gears is a very wide 8 with a very low 1st gear (0.5) and a reasonably tall high gear (4.0). That should cover almost any situation for the average rider.

  • This would be a lot of mess to come up with a solution that likely weighed more and had more failure points than say, a Rohloff hub, which would have 14 gears in 13.6% increments, as opposed to the 20% to 22% increments you have. The increments you are showing are also a bit too large for comfortably finding a gear for most experienced riders. Commented Jan 22, 2016 at 23:41
  • Well after paying close attention to what happens on my 3x7 (21 speed) mountain bike when I ride it on the street, I blast thru the lower gears in maybe 1 second (or less) and I am in the upper gears much longer so it makes to spread out the lower gears more (perhaps 30%). The other option if you even have closely spaced low gears is to double or triple shift the lower gears like from 1 to 3 or 1 to 4 for example.
    – David
    Commented Jan 22, 2016 at 23:48
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    That's fine until you are riding up a hill, into a strong wind, through mud, through snow or in the cold and can't find an appropriate gear. I spend a good portion of winter riding low gears. I'd throw a bike with 30% increments into passing traffic for a tractor trailer to dispose of. Commented Jan 22, 2016 at 23:57
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    I did say if you have close low gears to double or triple shift them if you dont need them. I sometimes even do this on my motorcycle if I dont need performance. I got from 1st to 3rd to 5th. I only have 5 gears.
    – David
    Commented Jan 23, 2016 at 0:00
  • @DeletedUser concur - I have access to 3 speed bikes at work, and they are hideously bad gearing with 0.66 / 1.0 and 1.33
    – Criggie
    Commented Jan 13, 2018 at 1:40

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You could do this for the front with a Mountain Tamer Quad (which is an adapter which turns a triple into a quad) and an appropriately chosen front derailleur. The chainline issues become more severe than they do with a triple.

For the rear, you could use a 12 speed internal gear hub (Sachs Elan) or go up to 14 with a Rohloff Speedhub with a chain tensioner.

The question is why would you want to do this (like all your questions)? With 3x9's or 2x11's there are more than enough gear combinations that its pointless for riders to have more. With more gears, things have to be machined more carefully and become less robust as well. You need a good gear combination, not the perfect combination (though Nuvinci makes a CVT for bicycles). Also, who in their right mind looks at the cassette when shifting? Nobody. On top of this, front derailleurs are crude and sloppy devices just by how they work -- with 4 chain rings, you can get one to work depending on the chainring spacing, but probably not well.

So, while you could run a 4x12, it would be utterly useless for anyone who wants to ride.

  • I would want to do this cuz I would get a spread of 8 and good chain alignment. I don't see that happening with something like a 2x11. I have a cheap $100 BSO "MTB" and it shifts the front chainrings fairly well. Actually it shifts those better than the rear which doesn't hold cog 5 well. If my ideas dont relate well to the way you ride that is fine but don't generalize that my ideas are useless to everyone. I suspect others out there would love to have a quad chainring progressive 12 speed. Not everone who rides bikes is a serious street rider or racer. Some of us like to play for low $.
    – David
    Commented Jan 21, 2016 at 16:38
  • Also my reasoning for 4 chainrings is since the cassettes keep getting wider, the chainring spacings should widen as well to better "cover" the chain movement. Having 4 chainrings and 12 cogs would allow no more than about 1 chainwidth of "crosschaining" which is very minimal. I would just shift it as a progressive 12 speed, not a 48 speed. It makes good sense to me.
    – David
    Commented Jan 21, 2016 at 16:45
  • The biggest challenge would be to find a suitable front derailleur and a matching lever. Unless you're gifted with DIY.
    – Carel
    Commented Jan 21, 2016 at 20:27
  • Or you use a friction shifter. One of the links there uses a barcon + an ultegra derailluer.
    – Batman
    Commented Jan 21, 2016 at 21:01
  • @David I really don't see many people being interested in a system where you have to know exactly what gear you're in before you shift. It just sounds too complicated to use. Beginners have no clue when to shift anyway; stronger riders just shift up or down at the back, have a rough idea of where they are on the block and shift at the front when appropriate. So I don't see any niche for the system you propose: sure, some people will be interested in anything but I can't see any group of bicycle users that this system suits well. Commented Jan 13, 2018 at 12:36

i once ran a mountain tamer 'quad ring' on a Specialized Stumpjumper. My lowest gear was only 16", incredible for climbing, but not much else!. I did it 'because i could', and because the idea intrigued me. Bottom bracket length was standard Shimano, the tiny 18t maillard sprocket was really tight into the frame and, literally circled the bb shell. I was running Shimano XT thumbshifters at the time so you get a 'extra click' on front shifter, very handy!. It DID compromise the chainline quite badly, so much so that if you tried to run more than 3rd sprocket on the rear you risked jamming or snapping the chain. I would NEVER have lent this machine to anyone for this very reason. After a few months of running it i came to the realisation that i'd actually lost more than i'd gained!, i'd compromised the reliability of my transmission far too much, this gear was putting FAR too much torque through the back wheel, stressing the spokes and the freehub beyond what i was comfortable with, so off it came. My newer Stumpjumper FSR is running 22 32 42 chainrings with an 11 13 15 17 20 23 26 30 34 9 speed block, to me this transmission is damn near perfect, there is a ratio for every occasion, power or speed, and all of it silky smooth and fast.


I've had a bike with a quad front chainring. It was on a Raleigh Delmara MTB originally, and shifting was dreadful. It had to be friction shifting because the chainrings were slightly closer together than normal, packing 4 chainrings in the width of 3.5 based on normal spacing.

Closer-squeezed chainrings lead to chatter and rub whenever the chain was on a small rear cog and anything but the big chainring. I could never shift it by feel either, had to watch it change because of the narrowness of the good slot.

I moved it to a mule bike with much longer 550mm chainstays and shifting improved, but it was never great.

In addition it was a 26 small chainring and 48 tooth large, so that provided no more range than a normal triple chainring.

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In short, nice idea but no real gain offered. Plus additional weight and finickyness.

  • What a sight to behold! was this a stock part or a frankenpart?
    – Swifty
    Commented Apr 26, 2020 at 18:41
  • @Swifty it was stock on that model of Raleigh. It was just fairly useless cos it offered no real gain over a triple. Perhaps if the grannie was smaller again it would have been more use.
    – Criggie
    Commented Apr 26, 2020 at 23:44

I am running a custom quad front 24 30 36 42, with a 12 speed cassette on a 3 speed hub gear giving 144 gear combinations, yes some may be duplicates but it is fun to ride and hills ain't an issue

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    Hi, welcome to bicycles. This is interesting, but the OP was looking for a non-custom 4x setup.
    – DavidW
    Commented Aug 26, 2023 at 11:18

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